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RE: towing with chrysler concorde
If you search on this forum there is a lot of info regarding this Chrysler platform for towing.
To sum up here are the hight lights that I found...
The local Airstream dealer (towing specialist) set up over 200 Intrepids, Concords, LHS,s for towing.
The larger engine models were a great success.
It was reported that the 2.7 was not a good engine for towing. No further explanation was given. One would need to discuss with Mr T. for more info. Also note that there is at least one class action law suit against Chrysler going on in Canada regarding the problematic 2.7 series vehicles.
The 1994 demo Intrepid towed a larger Airstream over 100,000klm's without any major mechanical issues.
Handling and stability was outstanding.
Note a custom hitch was required. The design and build quality of the hitch was nothing short of genius.
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Road Ruler
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08/22/08 10:38am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Question about ceramic tile install
thnxs for the tips folks. All this information really helps!!!!
wayne
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Road Ruler
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08/21/08 06:40am |
Around the Campfire
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RE: NewB Questioning Towing Capabilities
Just beware that the "Tow Rating" has nothing to do with how the vehicle will "handle the trailer" in the overall towing experience.
It is my understanding that handling is the big issue here not the vehicles capacity to tow the weight.
One forum member here Terry T tows a 23' TT with his 4 runner and does use a hensley hitch.
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Road Ruler
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08/21/08 06:08am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: NewB Questioning Towing Capabilities
bigss.. Post #13 should be of interest to you in the following link.
4 runner as a TV?
For that size of TT you really need a hitch like a Hensley. Don't leave home without it.
Hensley
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Road Ruler
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08/20/08 07:56pm |
Travel Trailers
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Question about ceramic tile install
I have done a few tile jobs and into another one.
When grouting I'm getting a variance in colour of the grout when it has dried.
I was told that I used too much water in the grout when mixing but I made it the about the same as tooth paste.
Any thoughts one why I am not getting a uniform colour with the set grout?
Thnxs for any tips from the tile pro's.
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Road Ruler
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08/20/08 04:40am |
Around the Campfire
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
I've asked around and it seems that anything above 10mpg is considered good for towing a full-size, full-height travel trailer, and that includes minivans and sedans unless they are fortunate enough to be towing an Airstream or the like. My own past "truck-based" tow vehicles were right in line with this estimate.
So the question I see so often is "If the minivan/sedan doesn't get any better mileage towing a travel trailer, why use it?". Simple, the 90% of the time you aren't towing, you put money in your pocket every mile of the way.
Correct. Both our 3.0v6 mini van and 3.5v6 sedan average 16MPG towing the Airstream and both get 25 to 28 solo in Imp gals. Guess that is 13.5 and about 22 to 25 in US gals.
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Road Ruler
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08/19/08 03:49pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
I believe, someone correct me if I am really wrong, that the heavier trucks have a load sensor such that when the truck is heavier the brakes, rear in particular will brake harder. Not sure if a MV or sedan has this same option or not.
Marty
Yes Marty, like Caddy's examples our Nissan Mini Van had a mechanical lever connected to the back axles, linked to a proportioning valve that adjusted the amount of braking force on the rear brakes. It also had 4 wheel anti locks that worked in conjunction.
Marty also talked about all factors in the combination. When talking about overall braking one must also consider the quality and size of the trailer brakes /tires and the quality level and set up of the brake controller.
Part of the success of our Mini Van towing 4,500lbs for so many years was the huge 2"x12"x4 brakes on the Airstream and the Jordan direct action brake controller. I have seen smaller brakes and tires on TT's weighing almost twice as much as our TT.
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Road Ruler
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08/19/08 10:54am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
Thats why i'm in a 3/4 ton suburban........137ft 60 - 0........FYI My signature states what i drive.......
Oh yes, it was the 2007 Burbs that took 157' 60 - 0
Still the 2008's at 137' are about the same as most mini vans.
Have you considered a Brembo upgrade to improve the Burbs braking performance?
FYI our sedan stops 118' 60 - 0!
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Road Ruler
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08/18/08 03:39pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
AS far as do i really think i will stop better......been there done it in real world emergency lock ups......and i would continue to take my chances in the large TV....especially because if i hit the weight ratio of the TT to TV will benefit me as far as weight in motion and the sheer size of my vehicle when hitting something.
Bigger is Better!! :)
Yes, one could say you will be taking your chances...
Re Ford Excursion:.... its 167-foot 60-0-mph stopping distance is a sad story. After a long 140 feet of pedal-bending braking, the Excursion is still going 20 mph, while virtually every other vehicle, including cars and mini vans, would be at rest. Combined with its soft 0.69g cornering power and weak 52.4-mph slalom speed, the Excursion will be hard pressed to dodge trouble.
The Ex loaded up weighs over 8,000lbs.
Our sedan and 23'TT combined weighs about the same but we have 8 high performance brakes and tires to stop the same weight as the Ex's 4 tires and marginal brakes.
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Road Ruler
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08/18/08 03:09pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
Based on a trip to the CAT scale, my rated payload capacity is @ 1750 lbs. My bed does not even start to sag at that weight.
1,750 lbs in payload for a 2500 pick up is only slightly higher than some mini vans. The limitation of that amount is probably due to something other than its stiff rear leaf springs.
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Road Ruler
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08/18/08 05:45am |
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
I agree totally.....Funny how weight is always the concern, not the proper sway control or none at all or lack of suffiecnt mirrors, plus power equals speed!
Your statement carries a lot of weight MyWife (no pun intented)!
One of the most stable combinations I have ever driven (towing a 31' TT) was a pro set up 6 cyl, FWD car. It had many qualities going for it that over shaldowed the fact it was breaking all the rules.
A towing professional once wrote.... that some of the best TV's ever produced have a 1,000lb row rating.
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Road Ruler
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08/17/08 06:17pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Tor vehicles for small TT's, and MPG's
I havent' towed a travel trailer in a few years...
I made one run up the Gorge from Astoria to Pendleton at an averaged 79MPH, and only got 13.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/CF105/129-296378e_IMG-1.jpg
This is ironic. Not to long ago I showed a pick of a sedan that was using a pro installed hitch and Reese dual cam (as shown above). The moderator Mike 4749 thought it was some how inappropriate for this forum and deleted it:S
No we have some guy who confesses to towing at 79MPH and the post stands????
What gives????/
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Road Ruler
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08/15/08 07:25pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
The Jaguar was not a sports car, but an S-Type sedan with a 4.2 V8. It's actually the same basic platform as the Lincoln LS. I think you'd really have to tow with one to really know how it works.
I have driven a Lincoln LS/5spped manual. It handled so nice and was so stable I almost bought it for the purpose of a TV and grocery getter..
I have the full articles about the combination testing which talked about the Jag's superior stability and towing prowess. It also has the "CAT" advanced electronic stability control that was also tested and reviewed. It seemed to work great even with the TT attached.
At the Toronto RV show a video monitor showed the testing of the Jag/34' Airstream. Smooth as silk as it weaved through the pylons at the test track.
At that show they also had the Jag and the Airstream combo on display. I talked with the guy who drove it to the show had he said it was the most stable combination he had ever driven. This guy had driven hundreds of different combinations over the years.
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Road Ruler
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08/15/08 07:05pm |
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
Cooling systems on modern cars are poorly suited to towing
On the contrary. Most/many modern car are built with smallish, yet powerful aluminum engines. Aluminum disapates heat very quickly so less heat to deal with is a good thing when talking about TV/s.
I am aware of many tests/cases where modern cars (in stock form with no mods) towed at close to 5x their tow rating in hot weather, with the air conditioning on and the temperature guage remained at normal.
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Road Ruler
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08/14/08 08:42pm |
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
WD hitches and the Reese Dual Cam sway control have been around since at least 1966.
Our family had a Trailer sales business from 1958 to 1963. My dad's 1958 Ford Fairlane (6 auto) towed a 16' Shasta around 1960 and used an Equalizer brand WDH. At that time they also used axle supported WDH's but they were inferior as they put much stress on the axle, u bolts, spring shackles and their mounting rubbers and bolts.
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Road Ruler
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08/13/08 07:15pm |
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
Here is another view of the subject.....
I have never towed a TT with a 250HP Sienna so I do not know how it would perform or handle so it's not fair for me to comment on that apsect.
However I have towed our 23' with the smaller 150HP Nissan Mini Van for many years. It worked very well with "0" issues.
If someone jumped on the forum and said they had a perfect 1955 Mercury sedan with a 188HP engine and wanted to tow a 30' TT, 99% of the members would be crying the blues about the idea.
Knee jerk comments like "please don't drive in my State" or "I don't want to share the road with you!" will be posted immediately.
If you look at this link below you will see from 1955 how well a 55 Mercury was at handling the 30'r. Acceleration, braking, high speed of 91MPH etc are very respectable numbers.
Mercury towing test in USA
http://www.airforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5371&d=1080083904
Here is the original article with pics.... Pics of Mercery towing TT in California
Now in the interest of science lets compare the Sienna to the old Merc.
The uni-body used in the Sienna is stiffer with far less flex.
The brakes are so much better.
The engine is much more refined and has much more power.
The Toy with stability control is far superior for handling.
And so many other advantages including modern technological advancements with hitch platforms, hitches, brake controllers etc.
Now if one was to do an on road towing review how would they perform? Based on the vehicles advanced technical merits many would suggest the Sienna would easily out perform the old Merc in every way????
Seems like the combination a seen by the original poster may not be as far fetched as many folks believe!?!?!
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Road Ruler
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08/13/08 05:52pm |
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RE: Towing OVER capacity..... too many doing this....
as long as all axle, tire, and hitch weight limits are not exceeded they are probably not overloaded, but may be well over the weight ratings...
how well it tows and how safe it is are entirely different things, and much of it has to do with what you can't see...
Thnxs JJ... you hit the nail on the head with your post and my hat comes off to you. Folks should read it over and over again and give the info some serious thought.
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Road Ruler
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08/13/08 05:25pm |
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RE: Acadia or Enclave
I am looking at buying a GMC Acadia or Buick Enclave as the TV for my 2007 Fleetwood Niagara. Anyone out there now using one of these to tow a similar pup or have any information???
Yes.. From the research I have done these are great TV's. The engine/tranny is from the Caddy CTS and apparently when put to a towing stress test it came through with flying colours.
It was suggested that the tires are a bit big and handling/performance suffers but if you ever want to tow something larger than the Niagara a more appropriate, lower profile tire would be a big help.
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Road Ruler
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08/12/08 04:31pm |
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RE: Minivan towing target dry weight of new trailer
Your Odyssey should have plenty of pulling power to pull most popup's out there. Yes, if you look hard enough I'm sure you can find something too big, but overall you'll be able to pull most.
I agree Flip. We continually see Ody's getting a workout as a TV and the feed back is favourable.
One of our forum members gave a great feedback report of his experience with his almost max'd out Oddy. He loved the way it handled and performed, even in the mountains.
Here is his story... Guest and his Oddy
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Road Ruler
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08/12/08 02:07pm |
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RE: Towing w/Honda Odyssey
Find an Odyssey specific forum and do a search. Sometimes Honda will have an overseas tow rating higher than what is listed for us. I think that is the case with my Element. They will give good advice as to what is really possible with that chassis.
Agree with jspringator. From what I have read this is one of those vans that is way underrated on this side of the pond. Do some research and see what comes up.
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Road Ruler
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08/11/08 07:51pm |
Towing
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